111: On the Road to Feeling Great! — Interview with Stephanie James

We sent this to you with the wrong audio earlier today, so Fabrice kindly fixed it. This version should have the correct audio. Thanks! David

Stephanie James’ Second Interview with Dr. David Burns

Hi everybody!

This is the second of three interviews with Stephanie James on her superb radio show and podcast, The Spark. Stephanie is an experienced therapist and dynamic radio personality from Colorado. She is co-authoring a book on how to live a “spark-filled life.”

This interview with Stephanie focused, in part, on the evolution of the new TEAM-CBT from traditional Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT). Stephanie asks Dr. Burns questions on a wide range of topics, including:

  • How would you treat a case of social anxiety?
  • What is “therapeutic whitewashing” and how can therapists get over it? What should therapists do instead?
  • How would you work with violent teenagers, such as incarcerated gang members?
  • Why is it so important for therapists who are learning TEAM-CBT to check their egos at the door? What happens to therapists who won’t do this?
  • After you published your first book, Feeling Good, and the first research study on CBT was published, cognitive therapy swept the world. After your initial euphoria about CBT, your enthusiasm dimmed somewhat. Why? And in what new direction did your research lead?
  • What are the most common errors that therapists make in thinking about the causes of therapeutic resistance?
  • How can you overcome a patient’s resistance to change?
  • Can TEAM-CBT work rapidly for someone with horrific abuse and decades of failed therapy? Or is it mainly for high functioning individuals with mild problems?
  • How can you prevent or minimize relapses following the patient’s initial recovery?

Dr. Burns’ third interview with Stephanie will be on the interpersonal TEAM model—how to transform conflicted relationships into loving, rewarding ones. It can happen rapidly—but requires the death of the ego, or “self,” along with the willingness to give up blame and the role of victim so you can pinpoint your own role in the problem. This can be liberating—but painful!

[Apologies to our listeners—For a few hours this Monday, the old interview with Stephanie was posted ~Fabrice]


Dr. Fabrice Nye currently practices in Redwood City, California and treats individuals throughout the world via teletherapy. You can reach him at fabrice@life.net. You can reach Dr. Burns at David@feelinggood.com.

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Coming Really Soon!

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1.   TEAM-CBT Methods for the Treatment of Relationship Difficulties

Step by Step Training for Therapists

by David Burns, MD and Jill Levitt, PhD

Sunday October 28th, 2018 (8:30 am-4:30 pm PST)

Live in Palo Alto plus online streaming

Learn how to reduce patient resistance and boost motivation to change. Master skills that will enhance communication skills and increase intimacy with loved ones. This workshop will be highly interactive with many case examples and opportunities for practice using role plays.

Learn how to reduce patient resistance and boost motivation to change. Master skills that will enhance communication skills and increase intimacy with loved ones. This workshop will be highly interactive with many case examples and opportunities for practice using role plays.

Join us for a day of fun and inspiring learning from anywhere in the world.

The in person version is now sold out,  but limited spaces are still available if you would like to join online. There will be experts to assist the online participants with small group exercises in break out rooms, so you will have the same experience as those who attend in person. But act fast it you want to be included!

SOLD OUT in person, but limited spaces are
still available ONLINE

Learn from David and Jill–a dynamic teaching duo!

7 CE*s. $135

To register, go to the Feeling Good Institute

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2. Rapid Recovery from Trauma

a two-day workshop

by David D. Burns, MD

November 1-2, 2018–Woodland Hills, CA

You can attend in person or from home via Live Streaming

Includes a dramatic live demonstration on the evening of day 1

For further information, go to www.IAHB.org
or call 1-800-258-8411

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Powerful, Fast-Acting, Drug-Free Techniques 
to Defeat Anxiety & Worry

a 2-day workshop by David D. Burns, MD

November 29 and 30, 2018: San Francisco, CA
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December 3 and 4, 2018: Portland, Oregon
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PESI is proud to offer an exciting workshop by David Burns, M.D., a pioneer in the development of cognitive behavior therapy (CBT). Achieve rapid and lasting recovery with all your anxious clients, just as Dr. Burns has done in over 35,000 therapy sessions with severely troubled clients. Become skilled at treating every type of anxiety without drugs.

In this unique 2-day certificate course you’ll master more than 20 treatment techniques to help your clients eliminate the symptoms of anxiety quickly – even your most challenging, resistant clients.

Dr. Burns will illustrate concrete strategies that provide rapid, complete recovery and lasting change for your patients. You’ll learn…

  • How to integrate four powerful treatment models to eliminate symptoms.
  • How to enhance your client’s engagement in therapy.
  • How to develop a treatment plan that specifically targets each client’s unique problems and needs.
  • …and so much more!

David will provide you with guided instruction and share powerful video sessions that capture the actual moment of recovery. You will take away practical strategies to use immediately with any anxious client. Leave this certificate course armed with tools you can use in your very next session!

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6 thoughts on “111: On the Road to Feeling Great! — Interview with Stephanie James

  1. Hi Dr. Burns, I think there was a mistake. The interview was the 1st interview you did with Stephanie James, not the 2nd.

    • Check out the chapters on the Approval and Love Addictions in Feeling Good: The New Mood Therapy, and feel free to ask any specific questions after you’ve read them. Thanks! d

  2. Hi Dr Burns! I really like the interview. I think Stephanie James was on one of your podcast, helping with one of your Externalization Tools. The interview was fun and I like how you two are on the same page. When you starting asking questions about what it’s positive about the negative emotions your patient had I was trying to answer just like Stephanie. I didn’t get close to any answers of yours and Stephanie’s.

    Please talk more about the “self”, it’s a really hard topic to understand.

    I couldn’t ask before but what was your research about empathy that you show to Albert Ellis? I didn’t know about Albert Ellis until I read about him on your books and when you mention him on your podcast. I was on the idea that he being one of the greatest psychologist (and how he was a “wild guy” like you say) he would be not so kind and even mind closed with ideas that challenge his own. I was surprise when you mention showing your findings to Ellis and he being open minded. (I started reading his books thanks to you and he talk about how “emotionally sound people are intellectually flexible”, so now I think that this shouldn’t surprise anyone). Anyway that would a really interesting topic to talk about on your podcast.

    The other thing would be: How does TEAM help people achieve their goals? is it not a contradiction if they used the acceptance paradox to feeling better but not achieving their goals? For example an Olympic athlete that want to be the number one. Or man who wants to be more muscular or a woman who wants to be more curvy so they can be more attractive, can TEAM help them?
    Again this other hard topic to me to understand, I hope that you could talk about it on your podcast. Maybe the questions are broad. I hope that you understand what I’m talking about.

    Well I hope that you are doing well, say hi to Fabrice and please invite Stephanie to your podcast.

    • Thanks for your thoughtful comment and questions. I will try to address this on a future Ask David. All the best, david

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